Comments on: A “Traditional” Passover Seder or How to Make Everyone Happy Around Your Table http://jcarrot.org/a-%e2%80%9ctraditional%e2%80%9d-passover-seder-and-how-to-make-everyone-happy-around-your-table Jews, Food, and Contemporary Issues Mon, 21 May 2012 04:07:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Robert http://jcarrot.org/a-%e2%80%9ctraditional%e2%80%9d-passover-seder-and-how-to-make-everyone-happy-around-your-table/comment-page-1#comment-32207 Robert Thu, 24 Feb 2011 02:52:16 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/?p=4619#comment-32207 The link for KOL Foods (grass-fed organic kosher Brisket) in the article above is incorrect. Try: https://www.kolfoods.com/shopexd.asp?id=216 The link for KOL Foods (grass-fed organic kosher Brisket) in the article above is incorrect. Try: https://www.kolfoods.com/shopexd.asp?id=216

]]> By: Richard Wolpoe http://jcarrot.org/a-%e2%80%9ctraditional%e2%80%9d-passover-seder-and-how-to-make-everyone-happy-around-your-table/comment-page-1#comment-29757 Richard Wolpoe Wed, 18 Aug 2010 04:09:38 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/?p=4619#comment-29757 Also the various Custom to NOT Roast is Limitted to the Seder Night RRW Also the various Custom to NOT Roast is Limitted to the Seder Night
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]]> By: Richard Wolpoe http://jcarrot.org/a-%e2%80%9ctraditional%e2%80%9d-passover-seder-and-how-to-make-everyone-happy-around-your-table/comment-page-1#comment-29756 Richard Wolpoe Wed, 18 Aug 2010 04:05:05 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/?p=4619#comment-29756 There are cases of transplanted communities EG KAJ Breuer's claims to be the successor of the Frankfort am Main community RRW There are cases of transplanted communities EG KAJ Breuer’s claims to be the successor of the Frankfort am Main community
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]]> By: D. http://jcarrot.org/a-%e2%80%9ctraditional%e2%80%9d-passover-seder-and-how-to-make-everyone-happy-around-your-table/comment-page-1#comment-15043 D. Mon, 06 Apr 2009 07:55:30 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/?p=4619#comment-15043 For a unique Haggadah, check out master Israeli artist Archie Granot's Papercut Haggadah at http://haggadah.co.il. For a unique Haggadah, check out master Israeli artist Archie Granot’s Papercut Haggadah at http://haggadah.co.il.

]]> By: shev http://jcarrot.org/a-%e2%80%9ctraditional%e2%80%9d-passover-seder-and-how-to-make-everyone-happy-around-your-table/comment-page-1#comment-14802 shev Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:19:20 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/?p=4619#comment-14802 For dessert: try a walnut chocolate torte, recipe by Dean and Deluca, YUM. For dessert: try a walnut chocolate torte, recipe by Dean and Deluca, YUM.

]]> By: Michael Makovi http://jcarrot.org/a-%e2%80%9ctraditional%e2%80%9d-passover-seder-and-how-to-make-everyone-happy-around-your-table/comment-page-1#comment-14773 Michael Makovi Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:20:40 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/?p=4619#comment-14773 (Biographical information: -- Rabbi Glasner = late 19th to early 20th century Hungarian Mizrahist (Orthodox Zionist) -- Rabbi Berkovits = ,mid-to-late 20th century student of Rabbi Glasner's son in Hungary, then later student in Germany before WWII, then Orthodox rabbi in Britain, Australia, America, and Israel. For more information, see Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Shmuel_Glasner, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliezer_Berkovits) (Biographical information:
– Rabbi Glasner = late 19th to early 20th century Hungarian Mizrahist (Orthodox Zionist)
– Rabbi Berkovits = ,mid-to-late 20th century student of Rabbi Glasner’s son in Hungary, then later student in Germany before WWII, then Orthodox rabbi in Britain, Australia, America, and Israel.

For more information, see Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Shmuel_Glasner, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliezer_Berkovits)

]]> By: Michael Makovi http://jcarrot.org/a-%e2%80%9ctraditional%e2%80%9d-passover-seder-and-how-to-make-everyone-happy-around-your-table/comment-page-1#comment-14771 Michael Makovi Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:16:34 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/?p=4619#comment-14771 Well, there's a mitzvah to write a Torah scroll, derived from Parshat HaAzinu, when G-d tells Moshe to "write these words", or something like that. Literally, this refers to the words of the song, but the Talmud interprets this as a mitzvah for everyone to write his own Torah scroll. Today, however, since we study from books and not Torah scrolls, to mitzvah is to shop at your local Jewish bookstore. I know of no mitzvah to "rewrite" the Torah. On the other hand, there IS a mitzvah to "go to the judge who will be in those days", and Rabbis Moshe Shmuel Glasner and Eliezer Berkovits, following the medieval Sefer haHinuch and Drashot hRan, interpret this as meaning that the Oral Law should be flexible, fluid, and organic, and oral precisely to safeguard this, as against the tendency of writing to make matters inviolable. Cf. http://www.math.psu.edu/glasner/Dor4/elman.html, http://michaelmakovi.blogspot.com/2009/01/rabbi-dr-isidore-epstein-on-oral-law.html, http://michaelmakovi.blogspot.com/2009/01/not-in-heaven-nature-and-function-of.html, http://michaelmakovi.blogspot.com/2009/03/torat-hayim-torah-of-life-evolving-life.html Well, there’s a mitzvah to write a Torah scroll, derived from Parshat HaAzinu, when G-d tells Moshe to “write these words”, or something like that. Literally, this refers to the words of the song, but the Talmud interprets this as a mitzvah for everyone to write his own Torah scroll. Today, however, since we study from books and not Torah scrolls, to mitzvah is to shop at your local Jewish bookstore.

I know of no mitzvah to “rewrite” the Torah. On the other hand, there IS a mitzvah to “go to the judge who will be in those days”, and Rabbis Moshe Shmuel Glasner and Eliezer Berkovits, following the medieval Sefer haHinuch and Drashot hRan, interpret this as meaning that the Oral Law should be flexible, fluid, and organic, and oral precisely to safeguard this, as against the tendency of writing to make matters inviolable. Cf. http://www.math.psu.edu/glasner/Dor4/elman.html, http://michaelmakovi.blogspot......l-law.html, http://michaelmakovi.blogspot......on-of.html, http://michaelmakovi.blogspot......-life.html

]]> By: Jaki Levy http://jcarrot.org/a-%e2%80%9ctraditional%e2%80%9d-passover-seder-and-how-to-make-everyone-happy-around-your-table/comment-page-1#comment-14695 Jaki Levy Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:32:43 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/?p=4619#comment-14695 Michael: I like your point about 1492. It raises an even bigger issue - how do you define your makom (community, or however you like to translate). This is one of the things that makes Judaism so great. Every generation must re-define itself and its minhag, and yes, that includes converts. Isn't one of the many mitzvot to re-write the torah? Tell me which one - I know it is. It is up to us to be in constant dialogue with the laws and to integrate into our lives. This is what keeps Judaism alive - for everyone. Chag Sameach! Michael:

I like your point about 1492. It raises an even bigger issue – how do you define your makom (community, or however you like to translate). This is one of the things that makes Judaism so great. Every generation must re-define itself and its minhag, and yes, that includes converts.

Isn’t one of the many mitzvot to re-write the torah? Tell me which one – I know it is. It is up to us to be in constant dialogue with the laws and to integrate into our lives. This is what keeps Judaism alive – for everyone.

Chag Sameach!

]]> By: Michael Makovi http://jcarrot.org/a-%e2%80%9ctraditional%e2%80%9d-passover-seder-and-how-to-make-everyone-happy-around-your-table/comment-page-1#comment-14689 Michael Makovi Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:51:03 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/?p=4619#comment-14689 I discuss minhag avot and makom in greater detail at http://michaelmakovi.blogspot.com/2009/03/minhag-hamakom-or-avot.html I discuss minhag avot and makom in greater detail at http://michaelmakovi.blogspot......-avot.html

]]> By: Michael Makovi http://jcarrot.org/a-%e2%80%9ctraditional%e2%80%9d-passover-seder-and-how-to-make-everyone-happy-around-your-table/comment-page-1#comment-14688 Michael Makovi Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:36:25 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/?p=4619#comment-14688 And J., my point is if a ger takes on his rabbi's customs, simply because he believes he has to, he is wrong. In 1492, a massive immigration of Sefaradim to Ashkenazi lands occurred. In some communities, the Sefaradi immigrants outnumbered the Ashkenazi natives, and the question was, should the minhag haMakom [local custom] of the native Ashkenazim triumph, or rather should the more numerous Sefaradim triumph? Unfortunately, I don't remember what the responsa say, but in any case, note that no one had a hava amina [suggestion] that everyone should do whatever his father did, i.e. have two different minhagim [customs] in one town. Everyone agreed minhag haMakom [local custom] trumps, but they didn't know which minhag haMakom. In other words, minhag, by and large, is based on geography, not parentage. Obviously, in America and Israel, or, at least, in Modern Orthodox communities, there is no minhag haMakom, at least for issues such as these. Perhaps there is a minhag haMakom to say the bracha for the State of Israel, but no one has a minhag haMakom to avoid kitniot, or else even Sefaradim wouldn't be allowed. In days of yore, a Sefaradi who moved to an Ashkenazi land, or vice versa, the immigrant abandoned his own custom and adopted that of his new home. Wherever there is true minhag haMakom, it is irrelevant what your father did. So the fact that Sefaradim can eat kitniot in America and Israel, shows there is no minhag haMakom, and therefore, even Ashkenazim are allowed to eat kitniot as well. And J., my point is if a ger takes on his rabbi’s customs, simply because he believes he has to, he is wrong.

In 1492, a massive immigration of Sefaradim to Ashkenazi lands occurred. In some communities, the Sefaradi immigrants outnumbered the Ashkenazi natives, and the question was, should the minhag haMakom [local custom] of the native Ashkenazim triumph, or rather should the more numerous Sefaradim triumph? Unfortunately, I don’t remember what the responsa say, but in any case, note that no one had a hava amina [suggestion] that everyone should do whatever his father did, i.e. have two different minhagim [customs] in one town. Everyone agreed minhag haMakom [local custom] trumps, but they didn’t know which minhag haMakom.

In other words, minhag, by and large, is based on geography, not parentage. Obviously, in America and Israel, or, at least, in Modern Orthodox communities, there is no minhag haMakom, at least for issues such as these. Perhaps there is a minhag haMakom to say the bracha for the State of Israel, but no one has a minhag haMakom to avoid kitniot, or else even Sefaradim wouldn’t be allowed. In days of yore, a Sefaradi who moved to an Ashkenazi land, or vice versa, the immigrant abandoned his own custom and adopted that of his new home. Wherever there is true minhag haMakom, it is irrelevant what your father did. So the fact that Sefaradim can eat kitniot in America and Israel, shows there is no minhag haMakom, and therefore, even Ashkenazim are allowed to eat kitniot as well.

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