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		<title>By: Pump Suppliers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pump Suppliers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 09:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read your post its pretty awesome but the main thing i impressed your published image for this post was ice cream image..... :) I love the cream with ice...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read your post its pretty awesome but the main thing i impressed your published image for this post was ice cream image&#8230;.. <img src='http://jcarrot.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I love the cream with ice&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Leah Koenig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah Koenig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear your points Lauren...and I definitely (and with embarrassment) admit for falling for the satire.  Though in my defense, I think it&#039;s telling that PETA&#039;s direct action tactics have been so extreme in the past, that it could actually be possible for someone to think they were serious in this case.

But I don&#039;t completely buy the third wave feminism argument, or I agree with your third para.  Yes, Dita and Alicia could be choosing to &quot;exploit themselves,&quot; but it is still offensive and problematic for an organization to foster one type of exploitation, while calling for the end of another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear your points Lauren&#8230;and I definitely (and with embarrassment) admit for falling for the satire.  Though in my defense, I think it&#8217;s telling that PETA&#8217;s direct action tactics have been so extreme in the past, that it could actually be possible for someone to think they were serious in this case.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t completely buy the third wave feminism argument, or I agree with your third para.  Yes, Dita and Alicia could be choosing to &#8220;exploit themselves,&#8221; but it is still offensive and problematic for an organization to foster one type of exploitation, while calling for the end of another.</p>
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		<title>By: lauren ahkiam</title>
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		<dc:creator>lauren ahkiam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with JT that this is a satire.  Of course an organization that advocates against animal suffering would not be advocating FOR human suffering.  They are, as JT writes, intending to make people think about why it&#039;s not weird to drink factory farmed cow milk but it would be so shocking to suggest drinking factory farmed human milk.  In their eyes, animals and people are equal, and the comparison is not problematic, hence also the comparison of chickens to the horrors of the Holocaust (and though I&#039;m a vegetarian and committed animal rights advocate, I don&#039;t entirely agree with them).  

I think the female exploitation tack is more complicated.  Leah, it brings up the whole 3rd wave feminist thing!  When is it that they&#039;re exploiting women, and when is it that the women, like Dita von Teese or Alicia Silverstone, are merely simultaneously expressing their views on animal rights while celebrating their own sexuality?  Especially someone like Von Teese who has built her career on burlesque; she is clearly, if anything, exploiting herself.  

But I agree that it&#039;s problematic to even lend the appearance of privileging animal rights over women&#039;s rights, and I wish they would at the very minimum use an equal amount of male nudity, to be fair :).

p.s. Michael, they did actually have a video press release where a spokeswoman stripped naked while giving a year&#039;s review of animal rights issues.  Not sure of the need for that, but there it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with JT that this is a satire.  Of course an organization that advocates against animal suffering would not be advocating FOR human suffering.  They are, as JT writes, intending to make people think about why it&#8217;s not weird to drink factory farmed cow milk but it would be so shocking to suggest drinking factory farmed human milk.  In their eyes, animals and people are equal, and the comparison is not problematic, hence also the comparison of chickens to the horrors of the Holocaust (and though I&#8217;m a vegetarian and committed animal rights advocate, I don&#8217;t entirely agree with them).  </p>
<p>I think the female exploitation tack is more complicated.  Leah, it brings up the whole 3rd wave feminist thing!  When is it that they&#8217;re exploiting women, and when is it that the women, like Dita von Teese or Alicia Silverstone, are merely simultaneously expressing their views on animal rights while celebrating their own sexuality?  Especially someone like Von Teese who has built her career on burlesque; she is clearly, if anything, exploiting herself.  </p>
<p>But I agree that it&#8217;s problematic to even lend the appearance of privileging animal rights over women&#8217;s rights, and I wish they would at the very minimum use an equal amount of male nudity, to be fair <img src='http://jcarrot.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>p.s. Michael, they did actually have a video press release where a spokeswoman stripped naked while giving a year&#8217;s review of animal rights issues.  Not sure of the need for that, but there it is.</p>
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		<title>By: shev</title>
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		<dc:creator>shev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I read this letter I was stunned and revolted. It seemed to be the result of a perverse sense of justice combined with our sick food industry. 

Satire or otherwise, it hasn&#039;t done any good for PETA, so who exactly has benefited?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read this letter I was stunned and revolted. It seemed to be the result of a perverse sense of justice combined with our sick food industry. </p>
<p>Satire or otherwise, it hasn&#8217;t done any good for PETA, so who exactly has benefited?</p>
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		<title>By: Elad The Great</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elad The Great</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember when I went to college, PETA compared the treatment of chickens at KFC to the treatment of Jews during the Holocaust, along with some very graphic comparisons.  Needless to say, as someone who was a vegetarian at the time and a Jew, I was offended beyond measure.

To be honest, I think these sorts of things happen when someone focuses one&#039;s entire morality on one particular area instead of realizing the big picture.  Yet another reason Judaism rules.  Helps us see the real stuff.

Great blog,
Elad

http://eladthegreat.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when I went to college, PETA compared the treatment of chickens at KFC to the treatment of Jews during the Holocaust, along with some very graphic comparisons.  Needless to say, as someone who was a vegetarian at the time and a Jew, I was offended beyond measure.</p>
<p>To be honest, I think these sorts of things happen when someone focuses one&#8217;s entire morality on one particular area instead of realizing the big picture.  Yet another reason Judaism rules.  Helps us see the real stuff.</p>
<p>Great blog,<br />
Elad</p>
<p><a href="http://eladthegreat.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://eladthegreat.wordpress.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Judith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former English major, PETA&#039;s letter reminds me of Jonathan Swift&#039;s short satire A Modest Proposal. He proposed that the peasantry might ease their economic troubles by selling their children as food for the wealthy. 
By absurdly suggesting something so blatantly inhumane as cannibalism, Swift drew attention to the actual oppression that was the very cause of the dire poverty in the first place. 

By shockingly suggesting that we eat ice cream made from women&#039;s breast milk,  PETA draws attention to the plight of dairy cows. That&#039;s what they do, that&#039;s their mission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former English major, PETA&#8217;s letter reminds me of Jonathan Swift&#8217;s short satire A Modest Proposal. He proposed that the peasantry might ease their economic troubles by selling their children as food for the wealthy.<br />
By absurdly suggesting something so blatantly inhumane as cannibalism, Swift drew attention to the actual oppression that was the very cause of the dire poverty in the first place. </p>
<p>By shockingly suggesting that we eat ice cream made from women&#8217;s breast milk,  PETA draws attention to the plight of dairy cows. That&#8217;s what they do, that&#8217;s their mission.</p>
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		<title>By: AMG</title>
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		<dc:creator>AMG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or mothers who are willing to pump can contribute to a milk bank to help babies whose mother&#039;s can&#039;t breastfeed. http://www.milkbankne.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or mothers who are willing to pump can contribute to a milk bank to help babies whose mother&#8217;s can&#8217;t breastfeed. <a href="http://www.milkbankne.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.milkbankne.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Debra Waldoks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra Waldoks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, it would make complete sense if this letter was a PR tactic.  Honestly, when I first read the post, I thought- &quot;This can&#039;t be real.&quot;  But...its difficult to tell frm the letter and I believe the restaurant thing is real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, it would make complete sense if this letter was a PR tactic.  Honestly, when I first read the post, I thought- &#8220;This can&#8217;t be real.&#8221;  But&#8230;its difficult to tell frm the letter and I believe the restaurant thing is real.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah Koenig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah Koenig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think, JT, that regardless of whether PETA was actually recommending that B&amp;J&#039;s switch to breast milk, the very suggestion shows a complete lack of respect and sensitivity for women.

For the record, I don&#039;t always bash PETA:

http://jcarrot.org/j-peta-a-kosher-couple-goes-undercover/

...but enough is enough.


FYI, here is the full letter from PETA to B&amp;J&#039;s

September 23, 2008 
Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield, Cofounders 
Ben &amp; Jerry&#039;s Homemade Inc. 

Dear Mr. Cohen and Mr. Greenfield, 

On behalf of PETA and our more than 2 million members and supporters, I&#039;d like to bring your attention to an innovative new idea from Switzerland that would bring a unique twist to Ben and Jerry&#039;s. 

Storchen restaurant is set to unveil a menu that includes soups, stews, and sauces made with at least 75 percent breast milk procured from human donors who are paid in exchange for their milk. If Ben and Jerry&#039;s replaced the cow&#039;s milk in its ice cream with breast milk, your customers-and cows-would reap the benefits. 

Using cow&#039;s milk for your ice cream is a hazard to your customer&#039;s health. Dairy products have been linked to juvenile diabetes, allergies, constipation, obesity, and prostate and ovarian cancer. The late Dr. Benjamin Spock, America&#039;s leading authority on child care, spoke out against feeding cow&#039;s milk to children, saying it may play a role in anemia, allergies, and juvenile diabetes and in the long term, will set kids up for obesity and heart disease-America&#039;s number one cause of death. 

Animals will also benefit from the switch to breast milk. Like all mammals, cows only produce milk during and after pregnancy, so to be able to constantly milk them, cows are forcefully impregnated every nine months. After several years of living in filthy conditions and being forced to produce 10 times more milk than they would naturally, their exhausted bodies are turned into hamburgers or ground up for soup. 

And of course, the veal industry could not survive without the dairy industry. Because male calves can&#039;t produce milk, dairy farmers take them from their mothers immediately after birth and sell them to veal farms, where they endure 14 to17 weeks of torment chained inside a crate so small that they can&#039;t even turn around. 

The breast is best! Won&#039;t you give cows and their babies a break and our health a boost by switching from cow&#039;s milk to breast milk in Ben and Jerry&#039;s ice cream? Thank you for your consideration. 

Sincerely, 
Tracy Reiman 
Executive Vice President</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, JT, that regardless of whether PETA was actually recommending that B&#038;J&#8217;s switch to breast milk, the very suggestion shows a complete lack of respect and sensitivity for women.</p>
<p>For the record, I don&#8217;t always bash PETA:</p>
<p><a href="http://jcarrot.org/j-peta-a-kosher-couple-goes-undercover/" rel="nofollow">http://jcarrot.org/j-peta-a-ko.....ndercover/</a></p>
<p>&#8230;but enough is enough.</p>
<p>FYI, here is the full letter from PETA to B&#038;J&#8217;s</p>
<p>September 23, 2008<br />
Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield, Cofounders<br />
Ben &#038; Jerry&#8217;s Homemade Inc. </p>
<p>Dear Mr. Cohen and Mr. Greenfield, </p>
<p>On behalf of PETA and our more than 2 million members and supporters, I&#8217;d like to bring your attention to an innovative new idea from Switzerland that would bring a unique twist to Ben and Jerry&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Storchen restaurant is set to unveil a menu that includes soups, stews, and sauces made with at least 75 percent breast milk procured from human donors who are paid in exchange for their milk. If Ben and Jerry&#8217;s replaced the cow&#8217;s milk in its ice cream with breast milk, your customers-and cows-would reap the benefits. </p>
<p>Using cow&#8217;s milk for your ice cream is a hazard to your customer&#8217;s health. Dairy products have been linked to juvenile diabetes, allergies, constipation, obesity, and prostate and ovarian cancer. The late Dr. Benjamin Spock, America&#8217;s leading authority on child care, spoke out against feeding cow&#8217;s milk to children, saying it may play a role in anemia, allergies, and juvenile diabetes and in the long term, will set kids up for obesity and heart disease-America&#8217;s number one cause of death. </p>
<p>Animals will also benefit from the switch to breast milk. Like all mammals, cows only produce milk during and after pregnancy, so to be able to constantly milk them, cows are forcefully impregnated every nine months. After several years of living in filthy conditions and being forced to produce 10 times more milk than they would naturally, their exhausted bodies are turned into hamburgers or ground up for soup. </p>
<p>And of course, the veal industry could not survive without the dairy industry. Because male calves can&#8217;t produce milk, dairy farmers take them from their mothers immediately after birth and sell them to veal farms, where they endure 14 to17 weeks of torment chained inside a crate so small that they can&#8217;t even turn around. </p>
<p>The breast is best! Won&#8217;t you give cows and their babies a break and our health a boost by switching from cow&#8217;s milk to breast milk in Ben and Jerry&#8217;s ice cream? Thank you for your consideration. </p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Tracy Reiman<br />
Executive Vice President</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Waldoks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra Waldoks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa.  As a woman who breastfed her son, and as a professional who works in the breastfeeding/public health field, I find this very insulting.  Formula companies have spent years trying to convince women that their milk is not worth their own time to feed or pump it for their own children.  Many women have believed this.  Public health professionals are now trying to help women realize that their milk is in fact the best milk for their babies and is worth the extra time, effort, and if necessary, a session with a lactation consultant.  Women are now buying expensive breast pumps and spending time (real and emotional) to pump milk at work, and PETA thinks this precious liquid gold should go into ice cream!!??  Did PETA forget about the need to test for HIV, the many premature babies who need the milk much more so than the ice-cream eaters, and the MANY mothers who still are choosing not to breastfeed their own children?  If a woman is going to realize that her milk is worth something and has she has the time to build-up her milk supply and take care of her health, I hope she realizes that there are better uses for it.  It does not even sound like PETA thought about where this &quot;HUMAN breast milk&quot; came from.  This is an unbelievable prioritization- PETA clearly does not care about the women and families who would pump their milk or the people who would eat the ice-cream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa.  As a woman who breastfed her son, and as a professional who works in the breastfeeding/public health field, I find this very insulting.  Formula companies have spent years trying to convince women that their milk is not worth their own time to feed or pump it for their own children.  Many women have believed this.  Public health professionals are now trying to help women realize that their milk is in fact the best milk for their babies and is worth the extra time, effort, and if necessary, a session with a lactation consultant.  Women are now buying expensive breast pumps and spending time (real and emotional) to pump milk at work, and PETA thinks this precious liquid gold should go into ice cream!!??  Did PETA forget about the need to test for HIV, the many premature babies who need the milk much more so than the ice-cream eaters, and the MANY mothers who still are choosing not to breastfeed their own children?  If a woman is going to realize that her milk is worth something and has she has the time to build-up her milk supply and take care of her health, I hope she realizes that there are better uses for it.  It does not even sound like PETA thought about where this &#8220;HUMAN breast milk&#8221; came from.  This is an unbelievable prioritization- PETA clearly does not care about the women and families who would pump their milk or the people who would eat the ice-cream.</p>
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