Comments on: Yid.Dish: Kosher French Onion Soup (Really) http://jcarrot.org/gone-kosher-french-onion-soup-really Jews, Food, and Contemporary Issues Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:20:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: suzy http://jcarrot.org/gone-kosher-french-onion-soup-really/comment-page-1#comment-21984 suzy Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:31:20 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/?p=9405#comment-21984 i just found another great onion soup http://kosherstreet.com/2010/02/cheesy-french-onion-soup/ i just found another great onion soup
http://kosherstreet.com/2010/0.....nion-soup/

]]> By: Gershon http://jcarrot.org/gone-kosher-french-onion-soup-really/comment-page-1#comment-19518 Gershon Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:26:06 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/?p=9405#comment-19518 Avi, I agree with you 100%. Avi, I agree with you 100%.

]]> By: Hannah Lee http://jcarrot.org/gone-kosher-french-onion-soup-really/comment-page-1#comment-19368 Hannah Lee Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:00:48 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/?p=9405#comment-19368 My introduction to Roz Gold's creativity occurred this summer when our extended family attended the world-famous Aspen Music Festival (in Aspen, Colorado). The owners of the large house(it sleeps 20!)spend six months of the year there, so the place is well-equipped with personally selected books. I found Roz Gold's 1996 book, Recipes 1-2-3,amongst the family collection and made her Curried Lentil Soup for Shabbat dinner (just French green lentils, chopped shallots, and curry powder). It was so good that I may not return to the multi-ingredient recipe that I've used in the past. I think her original recipe for Onion Soup with just butter, Spanish onions, and red wine deserves tasting. BTW, when we returned home, I also searched for the book on amazon and ordered my own copy. My introduction to Roz Gold’s creativity occurred this summer when our extended family attended the world-famous Aspen Music Festival (in Aspen, Colorado). The owners of the large house(it sleeps 20!)spend six months of the year there, so the place is well-equipped with personally selected books. I found Roz Gold’s 1996 book, Recipes 1-2-3,amongst the family collection and made her Curried Lentil Soup for Shabbat dinner (just French green lentils, chopped shallots, and curry powder). It was so good that I may not return to the multi-ingredient recipe that I’ve used in the past. I think her original recipe for Onion Soup with just butter, Spanish onions, and red wine deserves tasting. BTW, when we returned home, I also searched for the book on amazon and ordered my own copy.

]]> By: Rabbi Rachel Kahn-Troster http://jcarrot.org/gone-kosher-french-onion-soup-really/comment-page-1#comment-19365 Rabbi Rachel Kahn-Troster Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:29:34 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/?p=9405#comment-19365 The kosher brand "The Good Life Cheese" has a gruyere. It tastes more like swiss cheese than gruyere (and it is softer than traditional gruyere) but it is available and is not a specialty brand. I get it at my grocery store--but then, I do live in a very Jewish area. The kosher brand “The Good Life Cheese” has a gruyere. It tastes more like swiss cheese than gruyere (and it is softer than traditional gruyere) but it is available and is not a specialty brand. I get it at my grocery store–but then, I do live in a very Jewish area.

]]> By: Avi http://jcarrot.org/gone-kosher-french-onion-soup-really/comment-page-1#comment-19364 Avi Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:28:47 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/?p=9405#comment-19364 You can not have a Wisconsin gruyere the same way you can't have a Wisconsin Parmigiano Reggiano or a California Champagne. Trader Joes may sell a gruyere style cheese but it is not gruyere. And regardless of naming convention, your footnote would have still be much clearer and less awkward if you had just said "if you require kosher certified cheese." There was no need to bring denominations into the discussion. You can not have a Wisconsin gruyere the same way you can’t have a Wisconsin Parmigiano Reggiano or a California Champagne. Trader Joes may sell a gruyere style cheese but it is not gruyere.

And regardless of naming convention, your footnote would have still be much clearer and less awkward if you had just said “if you require kosher certified cheese.” There was no need to bring denominations into the discussion.

]]> By: Julie Steinberg http://jcarrot.org/gone-kosher-french-onion-soup-really/comment-page-1#comment-19363 Julie Steinberg Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:35:40 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/?p=9405#comment-19363 Avi, I am sorry the footnote was so controversial for you. At one point, Ermitage made a kosher Gruyere cheese from Switzerland (http://1800cheeseclub.com/grerk.html). It used to sell on amazon.com I have also seen imported kosher gruyere cheese in various specialty stores - you have to look around, but it does exist. There are also domestic gruyere cheeses available, generally made in Wisconsin.Trader Joe's sells their own brand. Perhaps the labeling does not conform to the standards you mention, but none-the-less, it is the real thing. I think both of these options conform to conservative standards. Finally, as I said, the best substitute is swiss cheese, which has several kosher varieties. Julie Avi,

I am sorry the footnote was so controversial for you.

At one point, Ermitage made a kosher Gruyere cheese from Switzerland (http://1800cheeseclub.com/grerk.html). It used to sell on amazon.com

I have also seen imported kosher gruyere cheese in various specialty stores – you have to look around, but it does exist.

There are also domestic gruyere cheeses available, generally made in Wisconsin.Trader Joe’s sells their own brand. Perhaps the labeling does not conform to the standards you mention, but none-the-less, it is the real thing.

I think both of these options conform to conservative standards.

Finally, as I said, the best substitute is swiss cheese, which has several kosher varieties.

Julie

]]> By: tali http://jcarrot.org/gone-kosher-french-onion-soup-really/comment-page-1#comment-19362 tali Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:34:40 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/?p=9405#comment-19362 kosher or not, this recipe is very similar to one that i got many years a go form the bistro chef of the french bistro in the French consulate in Tel-Aviv. and it is delicious. it suppose to be 100 degrees here in israel this weekend, so i think i will wait till next week (hopefully it will cool down a bit) to make it again. thanks for the remind. tali kosher or not, this recipe is very similar to one that i got many years a go form the bistro chef of the french bistro in the French consulate in Tel-Aviv. and it is delicious.

it suppose to be 100 degrees here in israel this weekend, so i think i will wait till next week (hopefully it will cool down a bit) to make it again.

thanks for the remind.

tali

]]> By: Avi http://jcarrot.org/gone-kosher-french-onion-soup-really/comment-page-1#comment-19359 Avi Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:26:21 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/?p=9405#comment-19359 If you're unaffiliated and require kosher cheese, please see the kosher cheese list. If you're Conservative and require kosher cheese, please see the kosher cheese list. If you're Orthodox and don't require kosher cheese, please use your favorite cheese. Julie, why bring denominations in when they tell you nothing? And then you botched the denominations while doing it. You seemed to go to great lengths to avoid saying, "If you're Orthodox." But beyond just using bad groups you're wrong on Conservative halakha also. The lenient CJLS position on cheese is that domestic cheese uses microbial rennet which is a davar chadash and therefore doesn't need hashgacha. Since Gruyere is now an AOC protected name, Gruyere cheese can only come from Gruyere Switzerland. Therefore the CJLS teshuva can't even be used to justify not buying hekshered Gruyere. Incidentally, the cheese teshuva like a lot of CJLS kashrut teshuvas from the '50s doesn't really hold up to the growth in modern local, organic, artisanal food. There is no way you can make an assumption about the rennet used by a small batch local cheese maker. In fact the more classical/traditional style the cheese maker uses, the more likely the rennet used is animal derived and problematic, making the cheese not kosher. If you’re unaffiliated and require kosher cheese, please see the kosher cheese list. If you’re Conservative and require kosher cheese, please see the kosher cheese list. If you’re Orthodox and don’t require kosher cheese, please use your favorite cheese.

Julie, why bring denominations in when they tell you nothing? And then you botched the denominations while doing it. You seemed to go to great lengths to avoid saying, “If you’re Orthodox.”

But beyond just using bad groups you’re wrong on Conservative halakha also. The lenient CJLS position on cheese is that domestic cheese uses microbial rennet which is a davar chadash and therefore doesn’t need hashgacha. Since Gruyere is now an AOC protected name, Gruyere cheese can only come from Gruyere Switzerland. Therefore the CJLS teshuva can’t even be used to justify not buying hekshered Gruyere.

Incidentally, the cheese teshuva like a lot of CJLS kashrut teshuvas from the ’50s doesn’t really hold up to the growth in modern local, organic, artisanal food. There is no way you can make an assumption about the rennet used by a small batch local cheese maker. In fact the more classical/traditional style the cheese maker uses, the more likely the rennet used is animal derived and problematic, making the cheese not kosher.

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