Comments on: Is Honey “Kosher” for Vegans? http://jcarrot.org/is-honey-kosher-for-vegans Jews, Food, and Contemporary Issues Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:26:44 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: ploughboy http://jcarrot.org/is-honey-kosher-for-vegans/comment-page-1#comment-14053 ploughboy Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:07:13 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/is-honey-kosher-for-vegans/#comment-14053 "The cut worm forgives the plow" - from an old timer I once read (from some 18th century literature). So, are vegans not willing to cut a worm, for vegetable production? Also, from the same old timer: "Drive your carts and your plows over the bones of the dead". “The cut worm forgives the plow” – from an old timer I once read (from some 18th century literature). So, are vegans not willing to cut a worm, for vegetable production?
Also, from the same old timer: “Drive your carts and your plows over the bones of the dead”.

]]> By: Arsenio http://jcarrot.org/is-honey-kosher-for-vegans/comment-page-1#comment-10088 Arsenio Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:09:26 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/is-honey-kosher-for-vegans/#comment-10088 So Eli, you are saying bees become lazy when they are not exploited...? Would you mind to explain that mechanism? So Eli, you are saying bees become lazy when they are not exploited…? Would you mind to explain that mechanism?

]]> By: Eli http://jcarrot.org/is-honey-kosher-for-vegans/comment-page-1#comment-9829 Eli Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:59:27 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/is-honey-kosher-for-vegans/#comment-9829 Did anyone see that bee movie in which Jerry Seinfeld did the voice for the main character? This movie made me so angry. If you're ever going to see it, stop reading now, because I'm about to spoil it: Basically the bees realize they're being exploited by the humans stealing their honey, so they demand to be paid. They make so much money so quickly that they end up shutting down honey production. Suddenly plants everywhere are dying--because the bees became very lazy and stopped pollinating everything. So then the bees have to go back to work for the humans. The lesson that I got out of it was: we must exploit animals to make the world work. Did anyone see that bee movie in which Jerry Seinfeld did the voice for the main character? This movie made me so angry. If you’re ever going to see it, stop reading now, because I’m about to spoil it:
Basically the bees realize they’re being exploited by the humans stealing their honey, so they demand to be paid. They make so much money so quickly that they end up shutting down honey production. Suddenly plants everywhere are dying–because the bees became very lazy and stopped pollinating everything. So then the bees have to go back to work for the humans. The lesson that I got out of it was: we must exploit animals to make the world work.

]]> By: mollyjade http://jcarrot.org/is-honey-kosher-for-vegans/comment-page-1#comment-9823 mollyjade Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:47:48 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/is-honey-kosher-for-vegans/#comment-9823 I think you have it right. Part of the vegan philosophy is not to cause any harm that you can reasonably prevent, but that doesn't fit into the elevator pitch. There are animal ingredients in the manufacture of cars, computers, and some tap water. You just can't avoid causing any harm at all. Saying "vegans don't use anything that comes from or harms animals" is a convenient way to sum things up, but it gives as much of a practical explanation as saying keeping kosher means "eating only kosher foods and not mixing meat and milk". I really don't care about honey. I don't buy it, but I didn't buy it before I went vegan either. I think you have it right. Part of the vegan philosophy is not to cause any harm that you can reasonably prevent, but that doesn’t fit into the elevator pitch. There are animal ingredients in the manufacture of cars, computers, and some tap water. You just can’t avoid causing any harm at all. Saying “vegans don’t use anything that comes from or harms animals” is a convenient way to sum things up, but it gives as much of a practical explanation as saying keeping kosher means “eating only kosher foods and not mixing meat and milk”.

I really don’t care about honey. I don’t buy it, but I didn’t buy it before I went vegan either.

]]> By: Ron http://jcarrot.org/is-honey-kosher-for-vegans/comment-page-1#comment-9808 Ron Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:32:16 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/is-honey-kosher-for-vegans/#comment-9808 I have no honey debate. Honey tastes great and I love it. There is no debate. There is only DO. :) I have no honey debate. Honey tastes great and I love it. There is no debate. There is only DO. :)

]]> By: Judith http://jcarrot.org/is-honey-kosher-for-vegans/comment-page-1#comment-9801 Judith Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:03:13 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/is-honey-kosher-for-vegans/#comment-9801 Death of animals happen on even the most organic of farms - tractors accidentally run over bird nests, gophers are intentionally trapped, and any tilling (even hand digging) kills some soil life. Death is part of the cycle of life - even a vegan's life. Earth worms count. I studied under a truly master gardener at the UCSC Farm who'd warn that as farmers "if we want to be vegetarians, we've got to kill." If that is understood, there is no hypocrisy. He'd also advise us that "working the soil is a radical act. Maintain an insane reference for the soil." We do have to till but we can choose to till at exactly the right time so as to do the least amount of damage. If that is abided by, if the intention is true, even the strictist of vegans can eat in peace. To keep your heart as pure as possible - grow your own. Death of animals happen on even the most organic of farms – tractors accidentally run over bird nests, gophers are intentionally trapped, and any tilling (even hand digging) kills some soil life. Death is part of the cycle of life – even a vegan’s life. Earth worms count.

I studied under a truly master gardener at the UCSC Farm who’d warn that as farmers “if we want to be vegetarians, we’ve got to kill.” If that is understood, there is no hypocrisy. He’d also advise us that “working the soil is a radical act. Maintain an insane reference for the soil.” We do have to till but we can choose to till at exactly the right time so as to do the least amount of damage. If that is abided by, if the intention is true, even the strictist of vegans can eat in peace. To keep your heart as pure as possible – grow your own.

]]> By: chanie http://jcarrot.org/is-honey-kosher-for-vegans/comment-page-1#comment-9782 chanie Wed, 06 Aug 2008 07:32:47 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/is-honey-kosher-for-vegans/#comment-9782 not vegan, and eat/use honey, but have also used date honey for rosh hashana and other times (which may be more what the torah meant by 'dvash' anyway) not vegan, and eat/use honey, but have also used date honey for rosh hashana and other times (which may be more what the torah meant by ‘dvash’ anyway)

]]> By: Michael Croland http://jcarrot.org/is-honey-kosher-for-vegans/comment-page-1#comment-9758 Michael Croland Wed, 06 Aug 2008 02:02:16 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/is-honey-kosher-for-vegans/#comment-9758 I avoid honey, but if I'm drinking something that I see has honey in it, I won't hesitate to finish it. And I try not to talk about it because it just isn't a big issue to me and doesn't do much to promote veganism (see this article titled "Why Honey Is Vegan": http://www.satyamag.com/sept05/greger.html). I avoid honey, but if I’m drinking something that I see has honey in it, I won’t hesitate to finish it.

And I try not to talk about it because it just isn’t a big issue to me and doesn’t do much to promote veganism (see this article titled “Why Honey Is Vegan”: http://www.satyamag.com/sept05/greger.html).

]]> By: lauren ahkiam http://jcarrot.org/is-honey-kosher-for-vegans/comment-page-1#comment-9753 lauren ahkiam Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:29:06 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/is-honey-kosher-for-vegans/#comment-9753 it's hard, since it's a better option than refined sugar (which is bad health, bad labor, bad ecology, and sometimes also considered not veg-friendly if refined through charcoal made of bone). that said, i am not vegan and eat lots of honey, but would not harsh on vegans who chose not to. agave nectar and maple syrup are delish! it’s hard, since it’s a better option than refined sugar (which is bad health, bad labor, bad ecology, and sometimes also considered not veg-friendly if refined through charcoal made of bone).

that said, i am not vegan and eat lots of honey, but would not harsh on vegans who chose not to. agave nectar and maple syrup are delish!

]]> By: chyk http://jcarrot.org/is-honey-kosher-for-vegans/comment-page-1#comment-9749 chyk Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:05:19 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/is-honey-kosher-for-vegans/#comment-9749 I admit I indulge in honey from a local hive, but rarely and only when agave will not do. In general, though, I shy away I admit I indulge in honey from a local hive, but rarely and only when agave will not do. In general, though, I shy away

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