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		<title>By: Rabbi Shmuel</title>
		<link>http://jcarrot.org/the-dairy-down-low/comment-page-1#comment-13113</link>
		<dc:creator>Rabbi Shmuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe there actually is a &quot;Cheeses of Nazareth&quot; in Nazareth PA (near the Martin guitar factory)

Do you know the song by the band &quot;The Weight&quot; &quot;I pulled into Nazareth.... it is not some pseudo-religious imagery - they were going to the Martin Guitar Factory!

I have a friend named Nelson Braff - I wanted him to start a blintz business &quot; The Crepes of Braff&quot;:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe there actually is a &#8220;Cheeses of Nazareth&#8221; in Nazareth PA (near the Martin guitar factory)</p>
<p>Do you know the song by the band &#8220;The Weight&#8221; &#8220;I pulled into Nazareth&#8230;. it is not some pseudo-religious imagery &#8211; they were going to the Martin Guitar Factory!</p>
<p>I have a friend named Nelson Braff &#8211; I wanted him to start a blintz business &#8221; The Crepes of Braff&#8221;:)</p>
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		<title>By: Leah Koenig</title>
		<link>http://jcarrot.org/the-dairy-down-low/comment-page-1#comment-13062</link>
		<dc:creator>Leah Koenig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ck - your dream is already being realized in the coffee world!

http://www.mirembekawomera.com/cooperative

though cheeses of nazareth is a way catcher name... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ck &#8211; your dream is already being realized in the coffee world!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mirembekawomera.com/cooperative" rel="nofollow">http://www.mirembekawomera.com/cooperative</a></p>
<p>though cheeses of nazareth is a way catcher name&#8230; <img src='http://jcarrot.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ck</title>
		<link>http://jcarrot.org/the-dairy-down-low/comment-page-1#comment-13059</link>
		<dc:creator>ck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh. I have a dream. A dream of peace, coexistence and cheese. I always wanted to open up a cheese company. We&#039;d specialize in various goat cheeses and the work force would be made up of Jews, Christians and Muslims. Israelis and Palestinians would work together to produce the regions best cheeses. Economically, the best place to put the factory would be in Nazareth in order to take advantage of advantageously priced real estate and proximity to goats. Naturally, the company would be called &quot;Cheeses of Nazareth.&quot;

I expect we&#039;d do bang up business with American Evangelicals...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh. I have a dream. A dream of peace, coexistence and cheese. I always wanted to open up a cheese company. We&#8217;d specialize in various goat cheeses and the work force would be made up of Jews, Christians and Muslims. Israelis and Palestinians would work together to produce the regions best cheeses. Economically, the best place to put the factory would be in Nazareth in order to take advantage of advantageously priced real estate and proximity to goats. Naturally, the company would be called &#8220;Cheeses of Nazareth.&#8221;</p>
<p>I expect we&#8217;d do bang up business with American Evangelicals&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Lennhoff</title>
		<link>http://jcarrot.org/the-dairy-down-low/comment-page-1#comment-13048</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Lennhoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kosherblog.net/category/kosher-cheese/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kosherblog.net&lt;/a&gt; has a lot of articles on making kosher cheese at home.

Because of fear that non-Jewish cheesemakers would use rennet derived from a non-kosher or not kosherly slaughtered animal, the rabbis of the Mishnaic era (0-200 CE) enacted the prohibition of gevinat akum or non-Jewish cheese.  This prohibition requires that a Shomer Shabbat Jew actually add the rennet to the mixture.  The parallel for normal dairy products (milk, butter, etc.) is the prohibition of chalav akum (milk of a non-Jew).  This is to prevent a non-Jewish producer from mixing cow&#039;s milk with pig&#039;s milk, camel&#039;s milk, etc.

In the middle of the 20th century Rabbi Moses Feinstein held that American Jews could trust the UDSDA to supervise non-Jewish diary farmers so that cow&#039;s milk remained such.  He still advised getting Jewish supervised (chalav yisrael) milk where possible. 

He wrote a seperate teshuvah on cheese.  There were two major opinions regarding supervision on cheese.  One held that it need merely be the same sort of supervision as for chalav yisrael (where a Jew need merely watch, not actually milk the cow) and the other opinion required a Jew to actually add the rennet.  Rav Moshe held we should follow the stricter opinion, and the majority of Orthodoxy holds by this position.

There are a few O rabbis who believe we should follow the more lenient opinion.  One of them is the rabbi who runs the tablet k supervising organization.

The Conservative movement allows the eating of any USDA certified cheese(*).  The two reasons I have seen expressed are firstly that the rennet need not be kosher at all, because it is not edible and has been so processed that it isn&#039;t really a food at all.  Secondly, they feel that if we can rely on the USDA for milk we can similarly rely on it for cheese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.kosherblog.net/category/kosher-cheese/" rel="nofollow">Kosherblog.net</a> has a lot of articles on making kosher cheese at home.</p>
<p>Because of fear that non-Jewish cheesemakers would use rennet derived from a non-kosher or not kosherly slaughtered animal, the rabbis of the Mishnaic era (0-200 CE) enacted the prohibition of gevinat akum or non-Jewish cheese.  This prohibition requires that a Shomer Shabbat Jew actually add the rennet to the mixture.  The parallel for normal dairy products (milk, butter, etc.) is the prohibition of chalav akum (milk of a non-Jew).  This is to prevent a non-Jewish producer from mixing cow&#8217;s milk with pig&#8217;s milk, camel&#8217;s milk, etc.</p>
<p>In the middle of the 20th century Rabbi Moses Feinstein held that American Jews could trust the UDSDA to supervise non-Jewish diary farmers so that cow&#8217;s milk remained such.  He still advised getting Jewish supervised (chalav yisrael) milk where possible. </p>
<p>He wrote a seperate teshuvah on cheese.  There were two major opinions regarding supervision on cheese.  One held that it need merely be the same sort of supervision as for chalav yisrael (where a Jew need merely watch, not actually milk the cow) and the other opinion required a Jew to actually add the rennet.  Rav Moshe held we should follow the stricter opinion, and the majority of Orthodoxy holds by this position.</p>
<p>There are a few O rabbis who believe we should follow the more lenient opinion.  One of them is the rabbi who runs the tablet k supervising organization.</p>
<p>The Conservative movement allows the eating of any USDA certified cheese(*).  The two reasons I have seen expressed are firstly that the rennet need not be kosher at all, because it is not edible and has been so processed that it isn&#8217;t really a food at all.  Secondly, they feel that if we can rely on the USDA for milk we can similarly rely on it for cheese.</p>
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		<title>By: Gersh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gersh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bein Hashmashot -- your rabbi&#039;s position is not the only one. The difference between the special OU Cabot cheddar and the Tablet-K Cabot cheddar is the supervised addition of rennet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bein Hashmashot &#8212; your rabbi&#8217;s position is not the only one. The difference between the special OU Cabot cheddar and the Tablet-K Cabot cheddar is the supervised addition of rennet.</p>
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		<title>By: JewishGal</title>
		<link>http://jcarrot.org/the-dairy-down-low/comment-page-1#comment-13034</link>
		<dc:creator>JewishGal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually it&#039;s not hard to make your own cheese!  I make my own organic kosher mozzarella using vegetable rennet.  You can buy the vegetable rennet online, it&#039;s cheap and it lasts a long time since you only use a teeny bit.  With a ~$3 gallon of organic 2% milk I can make 2/3lb cheese in 45 minutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it&#8217;s not hard to make your own cheese!  I make my own organic kosher mozzarella using vegetable rennet.  You can buy the vegetable rennet online, it&#8217;s cheap and it lasts a long time since you only use a teeny bit.  With a ~$3 gallon of organic 2% milk I can make 2/3lb cheese in 45 minutes.</p>
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		<title>By: Bein Hashmashot</title>
		<link>http://jcarrot.org/the-dairy-down-low/comment-page-1#comment-13033</link>
		<dc:creator>Bein Hashmashot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that the cheese has to be processed by a Jew unless you are keeping cholov yisrael. 

When I had the rennet conversation with an Orthodox rabbi, he explained to me that kosher cheese used to be made from curdling the milk inside the stomach and what makes it unkosher is when someone takes that rennet from the animal (possibly slaughtering it in an unkosher fashion) and then using the rennet seperately. Nowadays, most kosher cheese makers use vegetable or microbial rennet instead of curdling it inside of an animal stomach since it is cheaper and more practical.

If it had to processed by a Jew, I doubt he would have given me a posek to eat rennetless cheese without a hecture.

The concept of batel bi shishim doesn&#039;t apply if it&#039;s intentional. If a drop of milk accidently falls into a meat stew, it is still kosher, but if you sprinkle cheddar cheese on top of a pot of meat chili, that chili is unkosher (unless it is soy cheese or the meat is seitan!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that the cheese has to be processed by a Jew unless you are keeping cholov yisrael. </p>
<p>When I had the rennet conversation with an Orthodox rabbi, he explained to me that kosher cheese used to be made from curdling the milk inside the stomach and what makes it unkosher is when someone takes that rennet from the animal (possibly slaughtering it in an unkosher fashion) and then using the rennet seperately. Nowadays, most kosher cheese makers use vegetable or microbial rennet instead of curdling it inside of an animal stomach since it is cheaper and more practical.</p>
<p>If it had to processed by a Jew, I doubt he would have given me a posek to eat rennetless cheese without a hecture.</p>
<p>The concept of batel bi shishim doesn&#8217;t apply if it&#8217;s intentional. If a drop of milk accidently falls into a meat stew, it is still kosher, but if you sprinkle cheddar cheese on top of a pot of meat chili, that chili is unkosher (unless it is soy cheese or the meat is seitan!).</p>
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