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	<title>Comments on: The Debate:  Eating Meat (or not) at the Hazon Food Conference</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 21:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In respectful response to Shmuel, 

Yes, Hazon is doing wonderful work. I have been a long time supporter, and donated many of my books to be used a prizes for people who raised large amount of money on Hazon bike rides.

But respectfully much more needs to be done. There is currently an epidemic in the Jewish co,mmunity(and other communities), largely related to animal-based diets, and animal-based agriculture is a major contributor to green house gases (more than the entire transport sector, according to a UN FAO report), at a time when the world is rapidly approaching an unprecedented climate catastrophe.

So, once again, a public debate with ground rules on numbers of words, etc. on &quot;Should Jews be Vegetarians?&quot; would be a kiddush Hashem, and Hazon would deserve much credit for helping organize it.

If I am wrong, it is important that a rabbi and jewish scholar show that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In respectful response to Shmuel, </p>
<p>Yes, Hazon is doing wonderful work. I have been a long time supporter, and donated many of my books to be used a prizes for people who raised large amount of money on Hazon bike rides.</p>
<p>But respectfully much more needs to be done. There is currently an epidemic in the Jewish co,mmunity(and other communities), largely related to animal-based diets, and animal-based agriculture is a major contributor to green house gases (more than the entire transport sector, according to a UN FAO report), at a time when the world is rapidly approaching an unprecedented climate catastrophe.</p>
<p>So, once again, a public debate with ground rules on numbers of words, etc. on &#8220;Should Jews be Vegetarians?&#8221; would be a kiddush Hashem, and Hazon would deserve much credit for helping organize it.</p>
<p>If I am wrong, it is important that a rabbi and jewish scholar show that.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bedar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bedar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 17:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>clarifying a typo &quot;our blueprint FOR the gan eden paradise&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>clarifying a typo &#8220;our blueprint FOR the gan eden paradise&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bedar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bedar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 17:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All,

My respectful position comes from realizing that each person lives, evolves, and changes on a meaningful basis from what gives them simcha.  

Debates and arguments from the head have their place, but any time our dialogue is primarily a debate from the head, we have the cart before the horse.  Since our teachings enliven that growing and eating food generates simcha and praise, even before it generates sustenance and material planetary impact, the primary intent in the Jewish food movement is to warmi ourselves around that simcha of the food cycle, as we do a campfire.  

I sincerely hope and pray we are all be touched by that simcha.  The technology of live, plant-sourced, bloodless food is not only among the first instructions of Torah, our blueprint the gan eden paradise that is just an individual and collective choice away, but a way to stop taking on karma and victimization that translates into the consciousness of suffering and war and blood spillage.  That seed bearing plants and fruit-bearing trees are given as food for us is only as radical as the opening of the teaching that our tradition is based on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All,</p>
<p>My respectful position comes from realizing that each person lives, evolves, and changes on a meaningful basis from what gives them simcha.  </p>
<p>Debates and arguments from the head have their place, but any time our dialogue is primarily a debate from the head, we have the cart before the horse.  Since our teachings enliven that growing and eating food generates simcha and praise, even before it generates sustenance and material planetary impact, the primary intent in the Jewish food movement is to warmi ourselves around that simcha of the food cycle, as we do a campfire.  </p>
<p>I sincerely hope and pray we are all be touched by that simcha.  The technology of live, plant-sourced, bloodless food is not only among the first instructions of Torah, our blueprint the gan eden paradise that is just an individual and collective choice away, but a way to stop taking on karma and victimization that translates into the consciousness of suffering and war and blood spillage.  That seed bearing plants and fruit-bearing trees are given as food for us is only as radical as the opening of the teaching that our tradition is based on.</p>
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		<title>By: shmuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>shmuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, -- Richard - in case you haven&#039;t noticed, Hazon already &quot;plays a major role in overcoming the denial, ignorance, apathy and resistance&quot;. They&#039;re just more reasonable and moderate and much less disingenuous then you - the food conference was a perfect opportunity to showcase pastoral farming and moderate meat consumption. Yet you and your &quot;Jewish vegetarians of North America&quot; (in the name of transparency would you disclose the number of members you have?) actually boycotted the very thing that you claimed you wanted. Why should your position be any different now?

For years you saw a rabbi to debate you on the merits of kosher meat production and consumption. Not surprisingly, there were no takers forcing you to fabricate an imaginary dialogue between you and your imaginary friend -- a hypothetical rabbi. Why would you now think that &quot;a committee compposedof respectted rabbis, other Jewish scholas,nutritionists, health expertsa, environmentalists, agricultural experts and other key people &quot; would actually heed your radical call?

Michael - yeshar koach for your respectful position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, &#8212; Richard &#8211; in case you haven&#8217;t noticed, Hazon already &#8220;plays a major role in overcoming the denial, ignorance, apathy and resistance&#8221;. They&#8217;re just more reasonable and moderate and much less disingenuous then you &#8211; the food conference was a perfect opportunity to showcase pastoral farming and moderate meat consumption. Yet you and your &#8220;Jewish vegetarians of North America&#8221; (in the name of transparency would you disclose the number of members you have?) actually boycotted the very thing that you claimed you wanted. Why should your position be any different now?</p>
<p>For years you saw a rabbi to debate you on the merits of kosher meat production and consumption. Not surprisingly, there were no takers forcing you to fabricate an imaginary dialogue between you and your imaginary friend &#8212; a hypothetical rabbi. Why would you now think that &#8220;a committee compposedof respectted rabbis, other Jewish scholas,nutritionists, health expertsa, environmentalists, agricultural experts and other key people &#8221; would actually heed your radical call?</p>
<p>Michael &#8211; yeshar koach for your respectful position.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 01:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second Richard. They could show how sustainable animal husbandry can actually sequester carbon and reverse the climate change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second Richard. They could show how sustainable animal husbandry can actually sequester carbon and reverse the climate change.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://jcarrot.org/the-debate-eating-meat-at-the-hazon-food-conference/comment-page-2#comment-29536</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 01:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as president of Jewish Vegetarians of North America, I urge hazon,preferably in cooperation to do a tremendous kiddush Hashem (sanctificationn of God&#039;sname) by organizing a committee compposedof respectted rabbis, other Jewish scholas,nutritionists, health expertsa, environmentalists, agricultural experts and other key people tothoroughly investigate the realities of animal-based diets and agriculture.

this is especially important as the record breaking heat waves, storms, floodsand wild fires showover and over again that the world is rapidly approaching an unprecedented climate catastrophe.

As Mark twain is reported to have said &quot;Denialis not just a river in Egypt,&quot;but Hazon can play a major role in overcoming the denial, ignorance, apathy and resistance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as president of Jewish Vegetarians of North America, I urge hazon,preferably in cooperation to do a tremendous kiddush Hashem (sanctificationn of God&#8217;sname) by organizing a committee compposedof respectted rabbis, other Jewish scholas,nutritionists, health expertsa, environmentalists, agricultural experts and other key people tothoroughly investigate the realities of animal-based diets and agriculture.</p>
<p>this is especially important as the record breaking heat waves, storms, floodsand wild fires showover and over again that the world is rapidly approaching an unprecedented climate catastrophe.</p>
<p>As Mark twain is reported to have said &#8220;Denialis not just a river in Egypt,&#8221;but Hazon can play a major role in overcoming the denial, ignorance, apathy and resistance.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Kelly</title>
		<link>http://jcarrot.org/the-debate-eating-meat-at-the-hazon-food-conference/comment-page-2#comment-29506</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 06:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uriel, I love your last comment. This is a wonderful way to put exactly how I feel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uriel, I love your last comment. This is a wonderful way to put exactly how I feel.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bedar</title>
		<link>http://jcarrot.org/the-debate-eating-meat-at-the-hazon-food-conference/comment-page-2#comment-28374</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Bedar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good point if that aligns your body, heart, mind, and spirit for you, and i hope it serves your simcha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good point if that aligns your body, heart, mind, and spirit for you, and i hope it serves your simcha.</p>
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		<title>By: Uriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what do we do if at &quot;the inside of the inside of my bones&quot; I know that killing and eating other animals is part of the way of living in the world, of making the world a better place, and of repairing the world? What if I have looked &quot;deeply to the point where the bones and the earth’s dust itself become one&quot; and I realized that there is no killing, because we are all part of one larger life where there really is no difference between my bones and the earth&#039;s dust. Who am I to glorify myself and say I reject that knowledge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what do we do if at &#8220;the inside of the inside of my bones&#8221; I know that killing and eating other animals is part of the way of living in the world, of making the world a better place, and of repairing the world? What if I have looked &#8220;deeply to the point where the bones and the earth’s dust itself become one&#8221; and I realized that there is no killing, because we are all part of one larger life where there really is no difference between my bones and the earth&#8217;s dust. Who am I to glorify myself and say I reject that knowledge?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael A. Bedar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael A. Bedar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not here to jump into argument, but before I get to my invitation, @Uriel, I know many people on a plant sourced only diet (lifestyle really) who outlive all their siblings, brimming with vigor at that.   That&#039;s my own eyes, not hype.  Who&#039;s hyping?

I&#039;m here to carry on from my last post back on Jan 24.  I was writing all about how we have the cart before the horse.  The &quot;food movement&quot; is stuck in the muck if we in the &quot;food movement,&quot; (why that&#039;s in quotes in a moment) Jewish and universal, think we can come to clarity by debating about food in some kind of a silo isolated from the tikkun hanefesh, tikkun haolam of the soul and the world.  

I realized in my life that what is worth doing is what I feel in my bones, no, the inside of the inside of my bones.  You have to get there through looking deeply to the point where the bones and the earth&#039;s dust itself become one.  

There, there is simply not a spark of desire of any kind to spill precious and sacred blood, to sever head from body, to end the holy breath before its naturally time.   

This whole JCarrot blog debate will ultimately come to a dedication to realization - not my realization, but your OWN.

What I have been studying and working for for years - Transformative Social Change - a Culture of Life and Liberation (COLAL) will spring forth.  It lS springing forth like a great quickening.  

That is why I am this year&#039;s steward of SIT for Change: Changing the WAY Change Movements are Done.  http://www.sitforchange.org

In authentic life, bridging our outer idea of a movement (food or any other social movement) with inner change is mandatory and incorporates every way we manifest inner death as outer death, inner life as outer life, inner imprisonment with outer imprisonment, inner liberation with outer liberation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not here to jump into argument, but before I get to my invitation, @Uriel, I know many people on a plant sourced only diet (lifestyle really) who outlive all their siblings, brimming with vigor at that.   That&#8217;s my own eyes, not hype.  Who&#8217;s hyping?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m here to carry on from my last post back on Jan 24.  I was writing all about how we have the cart before the horse.  The &#8220;food movement&#8221; is stuck in the muck if we in the &#8220;food movement,&#8221; (why that&#8217;s in quotes in a moment) Jewish and universal, think we can come to clarity by debating about food in some kind of a silo isolated from the tikkun hanefesh, tikkun haolam of the soul and the world.  </p>
<p>I realized in my life that what is worth doing is what I feel in my bones, no, the inside of the inside of my bones.  You have to get there through looking deeply to the point where the bones and the earth&#8217;s dust itself become one.  </p>
<p>There, there is simply not a spark of desire of any kind to spill precious and sacred blood, to sever head from body, to end the holy breath before its naturally time.   </p>
<p>This whole JCarrot blog debate will ultimately come to a dedication to realization &#8211; not my realization, but your OWN.</p>
<p>What I have been studying and working for for years &#8211; Transformative Social Change &#8211; a Culture of Life and Liberation (COLAL) will spring forth.  It lS springing forth like a great quickening.  </p>
<p>That is why I am this year&#8217;s steward of SIT for Change: Changing the WAY Change Movements are Done.  <a href="http://www.sitforchange.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.sitforchange.org</a></p>
<p>In authentic life, bridging our outer idea of a movement (food or any other social movement) with inner change is mandatory and incorporates every way we manifest inner death as outer death, inner life as outer life, inner imprisonment with outer imprisonment, inner liberation with outer liberation.</p>
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