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	<title>Comments on: What Does Queen Esther Have in Common With Your Veggie-burger?</title>
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		<title>By: JewishGal</title>
		<link>http://jcarrot.org/what-does-queen-esther-have-in-common-with-your-veggie-burger/comment-page-1#comment-14224</link>
		<dc:creator>JewishGal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m always suspicious of the fake meats - there are a few vegetarian/vegan restaurants near me and a lot of their menu is fake-meat, like fake bbq skewers, etc.  I&#039;d really prefer to just know what it is, not what it isn&#039;t!  (Also one time I ordered veggie kung pao at a &quot;veg friendly Chinese restaurant&quot; near here and I think they gave us shrimp, or the fake shrimp was too accurately shrimpy and we freaked out)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m always suspicious of the fake meats &#8211; there are a few vegetarian/vegan restaurants near me and a lot of their menu is fake-meat, like fake bbq skewers, etc.  I&#8217;d really prefer to just know what it is, not what it isn&#8217;t!  (Also one time I ordered veggie kung pao at a &#8220;veg friendly Chinese restaurant&#8221; near here and I think they gave us shrimp, or the fake shrimp was too accurately shrimpy and we freaked out)</p>
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		<title>By: Arlyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arlyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. It does make things quite confusing (and food can be confusing enough. I am recalling our first foray into raw foods-at a little place in vegas circa 2001. My husband repeatedly asking the raw foods chef &quot;So, if it doesnt have cheese, tomato sauce or flour, why are you calling it pizza?&quot;

And I agree-most of the meat substitutes are pretty lame nutritionally...many have TVP and autolyzed yeast extract and other questionable flavorings...not so bad on occasionally, but somevegans/vegetarians eat them daily. One more reason to stick with the real thing, baby! (that&#039;s not meant to be anti-veg in any way, btw!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. It does make things quite confusing (and food can be confusing enough. I am recalling our first foray into raw foods-at a little place in vegas circa 2001. My husband repeatedly asking the raw foods chef &#8220;So, if it doesnt have cheese, tomato sauce or flour, why are you calling it pizza?&#8221;</p>
<p>And I agree-most of the meat substitutes are pretty lame nutritionally&#8230;many have TVP and autolyzed yeast extract and other questionable flavorings&#8230;not so bad on occasionally, but somevegans/vegetarians eat them daily. One more reason to stick with the real thing, baby! (that&#8217;s not meant to be anti-veg in any way, btw!)</p>
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		<title>By: earthmother</title>
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		<dc:creator>earthmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article! I&#039;ve never understood the whole mock meat thing either, especially since they&#039;re so highly processed. 

Since I&#039;ve been transitioning to a diet of raw, unprocessed plant-based foods, I&#039;ve noticed there&#039;s this whole faction of folks within the raw community who try to recreate &quot;cooked&quot; food. It&#039;s crazy.

I think what it comes down to is that our food memories are highly emotional and most of us are looking to recreate those happy, comforting memories, whatever our dietary choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! I&#8217;ve never understood the whole mock meat thing either, especially since they&#8217;re so highly processed. </p>
<p>Since I&#8217;ve been transitioning to a diet of raw, unprocessed plant-based foods, I&#8217;ve noticed there&#8217;s this whole faction of folks within the raw community who try to recreate &#8220;cooked&#8221; food. It&#8217;s crazy.</p>
<p>I think what it comes down to is that our food memories are highly emotional and most of us are looking to recreate those happy, comforting memories, whatever our dietary choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberta Schiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberta Schiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Delilah,
Glad you like the comment and the recipe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delilah,<br />
Glad you like the comment and the recipe.</p>
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		<title>By: Delilah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delilah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roberta  - good point on the processed meats. And, thanks for the recipe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roberta  &#8211; good point on the processed meats. And, thanks for the recipe!</p>
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		<title>By: Roberta Schiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberta Schiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elizabeth and everyone else,

Here is an easy vegan pate (I used to call it mock chopped liver until a longtime vegan freind said &quot;you want me to eat something that tastes like a liver?&quot;

The secret of the authentic taste is onions, sauteed very slowly, first in water and then in a bit of olive oil so that they carmelize. Do this while the lentils are cooking. Cook about two cups lentils, until soft. Add a piece of the sea veggie kombu for minerals, creaminess and reduction of gas. (good for all dried beans)No salt until they are done. In a food processor add the onions, drained lentils and walnuts (about two thirds lentils to one third walnuts). A large red onion and some shallots are a good combination. Process until smooth, season with sea salt, a bit of pepper if you like and a dash or two of good soy sauce. Simple and spectacular. Looks kind of plain though, so figure out an interesting garnish. Ring with olives, put parsley, red pepper slices or something else colorful on top. Serve with crackers, celery or romaine or endive &quot;cups&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth and everyone else,</p>
<p>Here is an easy vegan pate (I used to call it mock chopped liver until a longtime vegan freind said &#8220;you want me to eat something that tastes like a liver?&#8221;</p>
<p>The secret of the authentic taste is onions, sauteed very slowly, first in water and then in a bit of olive oil so that they carmelize. Do this while the lentils are cooking. Cook about two cups lentils, until soft. Add a piece of the sea veggie kombu for minerals, creaminess and reduction of gas. (good for all dried beans)No salt until they are done. In a food processor add the onions, drained lentils and walnuts (about two thirds lentils to one third walnuts). A large red onion and some shallots are a good combination. Process until smooth, season with sea salt, a bit of pepper if you like and a dash or two of good soy sauce. Simple and spectacular. Looks kind of plain though, so figure out an interesting garnish. Ring with olives, put parsley, red pepper slices or something else colorful on top. Serve with crackers, celery or romaine or endive &#8220;cups&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberta Schiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberta Schiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael and Elizabeth, I agree with both of you. We vegetarians are often called upon to explain why many of us but and consume faux meats - it is a legitimate question. But remember many meat-eaters consume cold cuts and lunch meats and other highly processed foods with lots of unhealthful ingredients - I just learned that there are dozens of different Kraft Lunchables which are full of preservatives, fat and sodium that are marketed to children and their parents who are too busy apparently to pack a lunch and the children become accustomed to the processed taste and don&#039;t want wholesome food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael and Elizabeth, I agree with both of you. We vegetarians are often called upon to explain why many of us but and consume faux meats &#8211; it is a legitimate question. But remember many meat-eaters consume cold cuts and lunch meats and other highly processed foods with lots of unhealthful ingredients &#8211; I just learned that there are dozens of different Kraft Lunchables which are full of preservatives, fat and sodium that are marketed to children and their parents who are too busy apparently to pack a lunch and the children become accustomed to the processed taste and don&#8217;t want wholesome food.</p>
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		<title>By: Delilah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delilah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael - Thanks for your comments. Kudos on your efforts to cut down on actual meat products. The gender difference on fake meats would be interesting to explore... &amp; thanks for the link to your blog, I&#039;ll check it out! 

And - thanks, mom! 
Delilah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael &#8211; Thanks for your comments. Kudos on your efforts to cut down on actual meat products. The gender difference on fake meats would be interesting to explore&#8230; &amp; thanks for the link to your blog, I&#8217;ll check it out! </p>
<p>And &#8211; thanks, mom!<br />
Delilah</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Raybee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Raybee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 07:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You must have inherited some of my mistrust of lots of those beans in deep drag!
But...
though they are marketed and named as &quot;fake meats&quot;, it must be nice to have the full variety of textures available in a vegetarian diet, in the same way we omnivores have the steak, chop, cold-cut and burger range.  Still, I think I&#039;d enjoy my mashed green-beans mixed with chopped walnuts more if it were called something like &quot;summer pate&quot; or &quot;bean-nut butter&quot; than &quot;vegetarian chopped liver&quot;; it would feel less contrived!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must have inherited some of my mistrust of lots of those beans in deep drag!<br />
But&#8230;<br />
though they are marketed and named as &#8220;fake meats&#8221;, it must be nice to have the full variety of textures available in a vegetarian diet, in the same way we omnivores have the steak, chop, cold-cut and burger range.  Still, I think I&#8217;d enjoy my mashed green-beans mixed with chopped walnuts more if it were called something like &#8220;summer pate&#8221; or &#8220;bean-nut butter&#8221; than &#8220;vegetarian chopped liver&#8221;; it would feel less contrived!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Croland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Croland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 03:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrific post! I plan on linking to it on my blog (heebnvegan.blogspot.com) at some point in the next week.

A lot of people have called meat analogs &quot;transition foods for vegetarians,&quot; and this makes sense for the routine-bound simple cook -- just make a slightly altered version of your standard meal, and the initial adoption of a vegetarian diet becomes easy as can be. There&#039;s merit to this.

But my dependence on processed soy-based mock meats shouldn&#039;t have lasted a decade, as it did -- that&#039;s a long transition. I&#039;ve cut back on them DRASTICALLY in the wake of reading Michael Pollan&#039;s books, following The Jew &amp; The Carrot, discovering a local farmers market, etc. 

Still, there are times when I crave processed soy imitating meat. I rationalize to myself that it&#039;s far better (from an ethical standpoint of what happens to animals) to have processed faux meats maybe twice a week than to eat animals, even if there are nutritional, environmental, etc., consequences. Plus, one of the arguments against dependence on soy-based mock meats is having variety in your diet, and I think that&#039;s not an issue for me right now.

Why am I drawn to it? I think it&#039;s habit, routine, taste preference, and familiarity. It brings back memories of the tastes I enjoyed in childhood. The texture is very appealing too. 

So long as I don&#039;t eat the mock meats too often, I think it&#039;s a decent compromise (even though I sometimes say &quot;Sorry, Michael Pollan!&quot; when I do it). :-)

For what it&#039;s worth ... I&#039;ve been in vegetarian advocacy circles for quite some time, and I&#039;ve long noticed that male vegetarians tend to miss meat (and crave mock meat substitutes) much more than women do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrific post! I plan on linking to it on my blog (<a href="http://heebnvegan.blogspot.com" title="http://heebnvegan.blogspot.com" target="_blank">heebnvegan.blogspot.com</a>) at some point in the next week.</p>
<p>A lot of people have called meat analogs &#8220;transition foods for vegetarians,&#8221; and this makes sense for the routine-bound simple cook &#8212; just make a slightly altered version of your standard meal, and the initial adoption of a vegetarian diet becomes easy as can be. There&#8217;s merit to this.</p>
<p>But my dependence on processed soy-based mock meats shouldn&#8217;t have lasted a decade, as it did &#8212; that&#8217;s a long transition. I&#8217;ve cut back on them DRASTICALLY in the wake of reading Michael Pollan&#8217;s books, following The Jew &amp; The Carrot, discovering a local farmers market, etc. </p>
<p>Still, there are times when I crave processed soy imitating meat. I rationalize to myself that it&#8217;s far better (from an ethical standpoint of what happens to animals) to have processed faux meats maybe twice a week than to eat animals, even if there are nutritional, environmental, etc., consequences. Plus, one of the arguments against dependence on soy-based mock meats is having variety in your diet, and I think that&#8217;s not an issue for me right now.</p>
<p>Why am I drawn to it? I think it&#8217;s habit, routine, taste preference, and familiarity. It brings back memories of the tastes I enjoyed in childhood. The texture is very appealing too. </p>
<p>So long as I don&#8217;t eat the mock meats too often, I think it&#8217;s a decent compromise (even though I sometimes say &#8220;Sorry, Michael Pollan!&#8221; when I do it). :-)</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth &#8230; I&#8217;ve been in vegetarian advocacy circles for quite some time, and I&#8217;ve long noticed that male vegetarians tend to miss meat (and crave mock meat substitutes) much more than women do.</p>
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