Comments on: Yid.Dish: Cholent with the Enemy http://jcarrot.org/yiddish-cholent-with-the-enemy Jews, Food, and Contemporary Issues Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:20:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mark http://jcarrot.org/yiddish-cholent-with-the-enemy/comment-page-1#comment-32283 Mark Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:34:16 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/yiddish-cholent-with-the-enemy/#comment-32283 Well it is specifying Idolators, which are traditionally treated much more harshly than other non-Jewish monotheistic faiths. Well it is specifying Idolators, which are traditionally treated much more harshly than other non-Jewish monotheistic faiths.

]]> By: KRG http://jcarrot.org/yiddish-cholent-with-the-enemy/comment-page-1#comment-4786 KRG Sun, 02 Mar 2008 03:42:25 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/yiddish-cholent-with-the-enemy/#comment-4786 Hey, the solution - you can just come to my place. BUt I have to say the DS is <b>way</b> too young to think about marriage. Hey, the solution – you can just come to my place.
BUt I have to say the DS is way too young to think about marriage.

]]> By: JewWitch http://jcarrot.org/yiddish-cholent-with-the-enemy/comment-page-1#comment-4757 JewWitch Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:44:33 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/yiddish-cholent-with-the-enemy/#comment-4757 Well, when you come to my house for dinner, if I pour libations to the gods, you're welcome to leave the room and I'll let you know when it's safe to come back in. And you don't have to marry your kid to mine (although if they want to, I'm not about to try to stop them, either). Well, when you come to my house for dinner, if I pour libations to the gods, you’re welcome to leave the room and I’ll let you know when it’s safe to come back in. And you don’t have to marry your kid to mine (although if they want to, I’m not about to try to stop them, either).

]]> By: KRG http://jcarrot.org/yiddish-cholent-with-the-enemy/comment-page-1#comment-4750 KRG Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:38:52 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/yiddish-cholent-with-the-enemy/#comment-4750 Actually, while I wouldn't say the text doesn't have its problems, it does NOT say that Jews can't eat with non-Jews. What it says is that Jews can't go to a banquet hosted by an idol worshipper. 1. Idol worshipper is not equivalent to non-Jew. For example, Muslims would NEVER be considered idol worshippers, and according to Western commentators, Christians wouldn't either. 2. the banquet in question is one which an idol worhsipper gives for his son. It's likely that a few things are present at this banquet which are what makes it problematic: 1. libations to the idols. Very common ( and by the way, not extinct to,day) it's the pouring out of wine to the gods. Second there's the issue of what a banquet for his son is - most likely a wedding or religious feast. In the first case, the problem is mingling in which people may be tempted to match up sons and daughters (i.e. leading to intermarriage with idol worshippers) in the second case, the problem is again, an act of worship or recognition of the (false) gods. SO the problem is not actually that it forbids us to eat with idol worshippers (invite them to your house! Meet in a religiously neutral place!), however there are of course problems with what we can possibly say when our Hindu neighbor invites us to their son's wedding. THAT'S when this text becomes a big problem! Actually, while I wouldn’t say the text doesn’t have its problems, it does NOT say that Jews can’t eat with non-Jews. What it says is that Jews can’t go to a banquet hosted by an idol worshipper.
1. Idol worshipper is not equivalent to non-Jew. For example, Muslims would NEVER be considered idol worshippers, and according to Western commentators, Christians wouldn’t either.
2. the banquet in question is one which an idol worhsipper gives for his son. It’s likely that a few things are present at this banquet which are what makes it problematic: 1. libations to the idols. Very common ( and by the way, not extinct to,day) it’s the pouring out of wine to the gods. Second there’s the issue of what a banquet for his son is – most likely a wedding or religious feast. In the first case, the problem is mingling in which people may be tempted to match up sons and daughters (i.e. leading to intermarriage with idol worshippers) in the second case, the problem is again, an act of worship or recognition of the (false) gods.
SO the problem is not actually that it forbids us to eat with idol worshippers (invite them to your house! Meet in a religiously neutral place!), however there are of course problems with what we can possibly say when our Hindu neighbor invites us to their son’s wedding. THAT’S when this text becomes a big problem!

]]> By: DavidW http://jcarrot.org/yiddish-cholent-with-the-enemy/comment-page-1#comment-4730 DavidW Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:29:27 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/yiddish-cholent-with-the-enemy/#comment-4730 Thanks for the help. I guess the equivalent is basically vegetable stock cubes (Osem, Telma etc). But, and now I'm getting really confused, if that is broth, what is the "vegetable stock" mentioned further down the recipe, since (unless you make real vegetable stock yourself) isn't that the same thing as the vegetable broth? Such confusion from the same language. I'm writing from London, to answer your question Leah. I found your excellent blog through my friend and foodie, Anthony Silverbrow (www.silverbrowonfood.com) who has linked here a few times. Many thanks, David. Thanks for the help. I guess the equivalent is basically vegetable stock cubes (Osem, Telma etc). But, and now I’m getting really confused, if that is broth, what is the “vegetable stock” mentioned further down the recipe, since (unless you make real vegetable stock yourself) isn’t that the same thing as the vegetable broth?

Such confusion from the same language. I’m writing from London, to answer your question Leah. I found your excellent blog through my friend and foodie, Anthony Silverbrow (www.silverbrowonfood.com) who has linked here a few times.

Many thanks, David.

]]> By: Leah Koenig http://jcarrot.org/yiddish-cholent-with-the-enemy/comment-page-1#comment-4724 Leah Koenig Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:47:05 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/yiddish-cholent-with-the-enemy/#comment-4724 Thanks for the clarification Katie - you can also make a quick broth with bouillion (sp?) cubes or consomme powder. (I'm rather addicted to Israel's Osem brand despite - or perhaps because - of it being filled with MSG.) Where are you writing from David? What's the equivalent phrase for "veggie broth" from where you're writing? Thanks for the clarification Katie – you can also make a quick broth with bouillion (sp?) cubes or consomme powder. (I’m rather addicted to Israel’s Osem brand despite – or perhaps because – of it being filled with MSG.)

Where are you writing from David? What’s the equivalent phrase for “veggie broth” from where you’re writing?

]]> By: Katie http://jcarrot.org/yiddish-cholent-with-the-enemy/comment-page-1#comment-4723 Katie Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:03:32 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/yiddish-cholent-with-the-enemy/#comment-4723 Veggie broth is basically strained, clear vegetable soup. You can substitute water, or broth made with a little Marmite or Vegemite if you have no vegetable broth handy. Veggie broth is basically strained, clear vegetable soup. You can substitute water, or broth made with a little Marmite or Vegemite if you have no vegetable broth handy.

]]> By: DavidW http://jcarrot.org/yiddish-cholent-with-the-enemy/comment-page-1#comment-4722 DavidW Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:51:04 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/yiddish-cholent-with-the-enemy/#comment-4722 For the non-Americans reading this yummy recipe, can you please clarify exactly what you mean by veggie broth. Sorry if that sounds like a dumb question; it just doesn't really mean much over here. Thanks. For the non-Americans reading this yummy recipe, can you please clarify exactly what you mean by veggie broth. Sorry if that sounds like a dumb question; it just doesn’t really mean much over here. Thanks.

]]> By: Easy Bean Farm http://jcarrot.org/yiddish-cholent-with-the-enemy/comment-page-1#comment-4716 Easy Bean Farm Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:58:02 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/yiddish-cholent-with-the-enemy/#comment-4716 Leah, I would love to, however, as one of those guys in a "mixed marriage" (what marriages aren't mixed?), Dec. 25th is a hard date to navigate. Perhaps there will be other chances? Mike Leah,
I would love to, however, as one of those guys in a “mixed marriage” (what marriages aren’t mixed?), Dec. 25th is a hard date to navigate. Perhaps there will be other chances?
Mike

]]> By: Leah Koenig http://jcarrot.org/yiddish-cholent-with-the-enemy/comment-page-1#comment-4714 Leah Koenig Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:32:03 +0000 http://jcarrot.org/yiddish-cholent-with-the-enemy/#comment-4714 Thanks Rosa - it definitely warms you up on a winter afternoon. No worries, Rachel, you're definitely not the only one in that camp. Mike, I love how you've found ways to incorporate Jewish values and ideas into your farming. If it makes sense with your schedule, I'd really love to meet you at Hazon's Food Conference next year (Dec 25-28) - I think you'd be inspired and heartened to meet other farmers across the country who are doing the same thing! www.hazon.org/foodconference Thanks Rosa – it definitely warms you up on a winter afternoon.

No worries, Rachel, you’re definitely not the only one in that camp.

Mike, I love how you’ve found ways to incorporate Jewish values and ideas into your farming. If it makes sense with your schedule, I’d really love to meet you at Hazon’s Food Conference next year (Dec 25-28) – I think you’d be inspired and heartened to meet other farmers across the country who are doing the same thing! http://www.hazon.org/foodconference

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